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Old 06-07-2017, 01:45:57 PM   #51
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IOS software in a nutshell : Most CG programs feature 10 or 15 features and nothing more. IPad (Pro) is not a pro tool. Astropad and Duet, both are fine but they are far from perfect : first, the lag, and is the fact that ipad features a non-standard aspect ration. Ipad is fine for sketching, nothing more. If you want a real deal, and don't mind about tilt, then Huion (i own a big tablet and its pretty cool, however its not portable)
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:55:48 PM   #52
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Yup. Apple refuses to make a real tablet PC, like Microsoft. So they license pen technology, like Microsoft and stick with their junky dated iOS which hosts 10,000 drawing apps. Apple refuses to think outside the box even though that's where things are headed. A tablet that can be docked and can use REAL applications and hooked into real peripherals. It's ironic Microsoft of all companies is pushing through the pains to make it happen, although 7 years from now when Apple finally makes one, morons will think it's revolutionary and new.. like the iphone or the imac. It's ok though.. it's technology and people tend to have enough available cash to buy fruit-themed products.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:20:53 PM   #53
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I have the apple pencil and personally dont like it. I dont like the tap noise it makes on glass but what i dont like the most is that it is top heavy and when im drawing (usually at an incline) i end up fighting against gravity. Its a very slight force but its enough for me to pull out my wacom instead as clmbersome as it may be
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:17:50 PM   #54
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You obviously never used Cintiq. I've been using Wacom tablets for over 15 years, last 5 Wacom Cintiq, and while certain amount of lag exists, everybody knows that, it's not something that's serious hindrance to professional work, more of micro psychological nuisance, which you filter out in first week of usage.

Comparing Ipad vs Cintiq as artist drawing or sculpting tablet is just telling you don't know what you're talking about. There's so much what goes into professional illustration workflow that goes beyond minor input lag it's not even funny to talk about. Unfortunately Ipads are still basically hobbyist sketching pads.

If Wacom products are too expensive for you, you should look into other alternatives (there are some very good ones), but Ipad is not one of them.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:16:43 PM   #55
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before you start building similar $5K PC builds, please start with a good 5K monitor first.
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Ok, now i am ready to see the beast i could build with $3K.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:15:02 PM   #56
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With some mix maxing for 3k $ you can get Ryzen 8 core, appropriate top tier AM4 socket / X370 Chipset motherboard, 64GB ram, 1000watt PSU (some top tier, Seasonic for example), 2x1080ti (if you're not waiting for Vega), 1TB Samsung Evo SSD, some full EATX tower.

Depending on when you will be buying / assembling machine and depending on your needs you can go for more cores Ryzen and only one cheaper GPU (if you're not using Redshift or some other GPU renderer).

Nota bene, the base 8 core iMac Pro model for 5000$ will very likely NOT feature 64GB of ram. It will feature ECC ram, but IMHO 64GB non-ECC ram>32GB ECC ram.

So, more or less, you can easily match it. HOWEVER, what you're getting is separate desktop from monitor, which you can later pair how you please in whatever set up you use, easily upgradable components such as GPU's etc. Also you have tons of options for cooling, as well as for overclocking your CPU and GPU's. For example, you buy 1080ti now, come next year, you add 1090ti to your setup and now have 1080ti+1090ti combo for GPU rendering. With iMac pro you're stuck with your primary purchase.

Now, depending on your preference and interests, instead of 5k monitor you might find much better investment with 22 Wacom Cintiq. Lot of people in DCC, especially those into ZBrush sculpting will benefit much more from pen tablet display then from high resolution display.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:42:22 PM   #57
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The iMac looks impressive, I would not buy one. As bombolo said you are stuck with what you bought. Can't wait to see the Mac Pro specs. That would be way out of my price range.

Being a hobbyist in 3d and music, I'm quite happy with my 2012 Mac Pro 12 core @3.46 ghz, 64 gig ram, and Nvidia 980 TI, 500 gig Samsung PCI 1200+ mb/s. Just swapped the dual core cpu's in my old Mac Pro (2007) with quad core xeons (5365) @ 3.0 ghz.... Make a nice dr rendering machine. If I could only win the Lotto Haha
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That should clear it up a bit...when it comes to Parts Price comparisons.

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Old 06-08-2017, 08:51:48 AM   #59
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does anyone actually know which xeons they are using? one thing that has always driven me crazy about apple is that they don't list the processor, they just say how many cores.
there are seven 8 core, nine 10 core and five 18 core xeons on the market at the moment, which ones are they using? there is a pretty big difference in price and performance.

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2667 v4 Launched Q1'16 8 3.60 GHz 3.20 GHz 25 MB SmartCache None $2057.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2620 v4 Launched Q1'16 8 3.00 GHz 2.10 GHz 20 MB SmartCache None $417.00 - $422.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2609 v4 Launched Q1'16 8 1.70 GHz 20 MB SmartCache None $306.00 - $310.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2608L v4 Launched Q1'16 8 1.70 GHz 1.60 GHz 20 MB SmartCache None $363.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-1680 v4 Launched Q2'16 8 4.00 GHz 3.40 GHz 20 MB None $1723.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-1660 v4 Launched Q2'16 8 3.80 GHz 3.20 GHz 20 MB None $1113.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E7-4809 v4 Launched Q2'16 8 2.10 GHz 20 MB None $1223.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-4627 v4 Launched Q2'16 10 3.20 GHz 2.60 GHz 25 MB None $2225.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-4620 v4 Launched Q2'16 10 2.60 GHz 2.10 GHz 25 MB None $1668.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-4610 v4 Launched Q2'16 10 1.80 GHz 1.80 GHz 25 MB None $1219.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2640 v4 Launched Q1'16 10 3.40 GHz 2.40 GHz 25 MB SmartCache None $939.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2630 v4 Launched Q1'16 10 3.10 GHz 2.20 GHz 25 MB SmartCache None $667.00 - $671.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2630L v4 Launched Q1'16 10 2.90 GHz 1.80 GHz 25 MB SmartCache None $612.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2618L v4 Launched Q1'16 10 3.20 GHz 2.20 GHz 25 MB SmartCache None $779.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E7-8891 v4 Launched Q2'16 10 3.50 GHz 2.80 GHz 60 MB None $6841.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E7-4820 v4 Launched Q2'16 10 2.00 GHz 25 MB None $1502.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-4667 v4 Launched Q2'16 18 3.00 GHz 2.20 GHz 45 MB None $5729.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2697 v4 Launched Q1'16 18 3.60 GHz 2.30 GHz 45 MB SmartCache None $2702.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E5-2695 v4 Launched Q1'16 18 3.30 GHz 2.10 GHz 45 MB SmartCache None $2424.00 - $2428.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E7-8867 v4 Launched Q2'16 18 3.30 GHz 2.40 GHz 45 MB None $4672.00

Intel? Xeon? Processor E7-8860 v4 Launched Q2'16 18 3.20 GHz 2.20 GHz 45 MB None $4061.00
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Old 06-08-2017, 09:37:51 AM   #60
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i loled so hard at diz thread.
new MAC - so cute

WIN OS for the win! MASTERRACING THE MASTERRACE!
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:56:03 AM   #61
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:19:10 AM   #62
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Apple indicates type of CPU (e.g.: Xeon E5), number of cores, clock speed and size of the cache which makes it easy to find out the exact processor used.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:00:14 PM   #63
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I don't know how many lag Wacom can get (I own an Intuos Pro and it works pretty well) but I think is cool seeing new products that can be a point on dev tools out of Apple and Windows.
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:41:54 PM   #64
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This is NOT a Mac Pro!
Probably would be equal in specs to an entry level Mac Pro, this looks like more for MacOS and iOS developers, tho.





PC Gamer- Apple’s new iMac Pro costs $5000, but is it overpriced? :

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Old 06-08-2017, 09:34:29 PM   #65
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You spend your money with Apple, that's why you're a BrokeArtist. :-p

I get your point of view. My father is like this .. He only buys MacPro because he works with audio engineering, which has used Apple products for quite some time (since the PowerPC era) .. Works well with him and so he never wanted to change platform.

I like to set up my computers. I buy all the pieces separately and build the computers ... With that, I can build powerful computers at a very good price. There's a huge computer mall here that sells parts with a 40% discount if it's a cash purchase.

But like you said, each one has his personal taste. Be happy. These Apple vs Win posts are a form of joking. Nothing more than this.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:18:24 PM   #66
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Do not talk about people you DO not know, unless you are a 13 years old girl.
Actually Macs are MORE reliable machines than yr average `PC`, ASK IBM
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:57:36 PM   #67
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She was nervous. Easy, lady. This is just a forum. Do not take it seriously. Go take a refreshing shower. And please, STOP SCREAMING like that. That's why I said that this kind of posting is just for fun.

What I meant: It is clear that a machine molded with all the parts and tested to exhaustion will be more reliable than the average of the PCs assembled with pieces of the most varied, power suplies of poor quality, etc. Not to mention the operating system (that's why I mentioned the case of my father who works with audio). However, anyone can set up a high-quality computer by buying the parts separately. I have machines here that render for weeks without stopping, with all the resources being stressed to the maximum and never giving a problem at all. That simple.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:26:38 AM   #68
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I love my iPhone and I bought my parents iPads because they were easier to use, so I'm not anti-Apple - but I'd never even consider this. An AIO computer of any type is bad for business...one that can't be upgraded is ridiculous.

A computer of this price should come with scheduled upgrades.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:45:31 AM   #69
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i teach you, you teach me > DIY stuff & open source... but this thread is more like lego VS barbie (all licensed & heavily patented crap)

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Old 06-09-2017, 12:37:53 PM   #70
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maybe one should note, that with this you get a crap ugly case, mouse and a clappering keyboard.
while the look, feel and build quality doesnt make your computer faster and for some this is not important,
for others it is. even if its not too bad for the pc, it will be nowhere near that product.
(this fact completely aside of all the other aspects.)
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:19:54 PM   #73
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I hate apple as a company just as much as the next person but bashing the users for buying them instead of custom building / shopping for brands that give more bang for buck but don't advertise, etc. doesnt make sense to me. Most of these people don't know what a good amount of RAM is for their needs, what speed their CPU runs at, etc. They just want something that runs easily and looks nice for casual browsing.

I for one hate Apple hardware and Imacs especially as you can never really upgrade, and you buy and sell it used with the screen, not as separate parts.

However I cant handle Windows versus MacOS. MacOS for me is just so much more intuitive, never gives me any problems, and is awesome for the workflow. That is why I just build Hackintoshes. I build myself a better Mac Pro for half the price, with the parts I want to put. Only downside is getting it all set up.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:29:44 AM   #75
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Building your own PC from parts is obviously cheaper than buying a pre-assembled iMac Pro. What would be even cheaper is if you just did your own soldering and wrote your own OS.

Also, who buys their clothes from brand names in a store? It's way cheaper to just sew them yourself.
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that's me. i also make my own yogurt, i decorate my house with flattened tin cans and i wheedle my own furniture from found wood. can you believe the prices they try to charge you for furniture at design stores? it's insane, you can make it all for free.
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We are talking about a working tool that will work for years and whose technology evolves quickly. Assemble your work tool, choose the best parts, be able to change them or replace them at will, set up a highly upgradeable system. This is the power to assemble your own computer. And in my case, as of others here that work with 3d, they usually have several machines (3, 4, 5 or more) that are used to generate content and to render ... Hence the importance of assembling them and being able to pay a reasonable price for them ...

Of course this requires time and knowledge: research the best parts, buy, assemble, install the system and the apps, etc.

Both approaches have their pros and cons ... That's why I said it's something personal ... Everyone has their needs.

A ready system is practical: buy now and start using it right away, without a headache and without wasting time. Great! It depends on the type of user and his goal.
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I have a PC I built myself. It totals to way more than what Mac Pro cost at the time though (it was also a lot more powerful). And yeah, I've found it helpful to be able to upgrade my graphics card several times and add new storage to it as needed.

I don't really think it requires knowledge, though. Its not rocket science and any idiot who wants to spend the time on it can do it. Its not a great accomplishment. In fact I'd say that learning to sew your own clothes requires far more practice, intelligence and know-how, than learning to put your own PC together.

I was just pointing out that its an argument people always uses when talking macs, and it is always said like it's some great revelation. Dude, just assemble your own PC, it's only half the price. Yeah, we know. Everyone knows. The people buying macs knows it too. They aren't stupid sheep, they just made a different choice. For many of us, $5000 every four or five years for a new rig is perfectly within our budget, so why not spend it on a new mac if you like them and can afford them.
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2017 and good station for How much 4000 $ for 18 thread 36
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the PC and Microsoft more perf and little price 50 %
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bulding a pc is not rocket science indeed, all of my PCs were built by me before i got my first mac in 2009. But you don't have the quality assurance of the pieces working together 100% nicely because they were not tested by teams of specialized people whose only job is to build a configuration, failure-checking all parts separately and together within a config, which means you yourself have to do the job of many specialists (which is great, if you like it, but i'm first an artist/content creator, and prefer my time being spent for other productive things), pay for occasional failures/incompatibility and even then you get nowhere near (if any, at all) the support you get from Apple (anything's wrong with your mac - take it in - you get a new one 90% of the time, or a repair). And of course, in the winPC world you just won't find hardware-software working as smoothly together as in Apple products, since Apple develops both.

Nonetheless, there are some extremely good performing hand-built PCs which are a joy to work on, but maintaining them means you gotta be (and gotta love to be) an engineer/geek/sysadmin beside, and not many people are created like that. Some just want to use the computer as a tool for processing creative ideas, without it being too much in the way.
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OK, All you guys that are against building PC's have convinced me to buy an Alienware computer. Well played guys, well played.
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Old 06-11-2017, 09:37:34 PM   #82
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well, it's about as expensive as a comparable mac would be, if not more so.
ALIENWARE AREA-51 with 10-core i7, 32GB 2400Mhz DDR4 RAM and Geforce 1080 Ti starts at $5100, and it doesn't come with a top-of-the-line 5k, high-color-fidelity monitor.
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@ winemaster. You can't compare a Mac. with an alienware. An alienware is repairable and upgradeable by the user. And if it does have a battery pack it won't be superglued in LOL. I only know a few people with an Alienware, but they are all very happy with it. As for building a PC ? There's nothing to touch it. Take your time and shop around and you'll tear the shop prices to shreds. The system builders profit margin is eliminated just for starters. And being in charge of every part, down to the last screw, means you KNOW there's not a cheaped out part in the whole case. I've bought every part myself for the last 15 years. Hardware failures in 15 years ? Absolutely Zero. Hardware problems last thing on my mind.

If you don't want to build it yourself, thats no problem at all. Not everybody is techno. Pay a builder to build it, Only a couple of hours work. It won't put the price up that much. Still be a great price compared to the shop. And be happy that your $800 graphics card isn't being fed by a $15 power supply made in God knows where. LOL.
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I have both an ipad pro and a wacom Cintiq. The ipad can be used as a Cintiq-alike with an app called Duet. However, the ipad and 'pencil' just aren't as good as a wacom stylus when used this way. The ipad is great standalone for drawing or taking notes etc but the fact that the pencil doesn't have buttons means it's less than fantastic for use as a computer connected tablet.

I use the ipad as a laptop, in meetings, for emails for browsing etc for which it's great. My desktop is used for anything serious in 2 or 3D. The ipad is actually pretty amazing for music production but this is largely due to the fact that audio doesn't stress the CPU (or GPU) in the same way as visual, particularly video, based apps.... but standalone it just doesn't match a Cintiq and a proper computer.

I'm far, far, from an Appletard, by the way. Apple gave up on pro users and the Finder is now about 5-8 years behind windows as an OS, despite it having a unix base. I despise MS for phoning home and constant updates, but this came over from the Apple camp anyway. I've never had a virus on anything so that particular boogyman is a furphy, as long as some basic hygiene is followed. I've said it before - at work even the 2D guys are swearing at Apple and they were the last holdouts. Oh, unless you include account managers and other admin-y type people - but they are laughed at by anyone doing coding, 3D, 2D and other content creation. I'm afraid Apple has lost the very people who built its reputation, and no, Saint Steve wouldn't have done it differently. Sure, he may have had more say in details of various products but the strategy is basically his - dump the pros, we don't need no stinkin' artists anymore when we can sell a billion phones and tablets.

It's a shame, not because I was particularly keen on Macs (I was always using both and basically an agnostic) but because the competition meant that MS had to up it's game, even if it took 3 versions to get anything decent. The cult nature of some Mac owners was (and is) annoying although I find it funny that such owners are always the first to claim Windows users as deliberately badmouthing Mac users. Yes, they often do, but it's as a response to the not uncommon phenomenon of a Mac user spouting smugness from every pore. It was irritating to anyone not in the cult, and was especially so 10 years ago when they had a bit more of a point. But now? it's just a little sad.

My current desktop cost just over 3 grand. 2x980Tis, 32GB Ram, SSID etc. It's no longer a youngster but matches the top of the range suppository Mac we hired at work when some star designer said they had to have one. Amusingly enough, I ended up using it for the couple of weeks it was hired as the designer turned out to be all mouth and no trousers and the black bin wasn't fast enough at rendering.
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You are dead right there. Apple IS a cult. 20 years out of date. Some people still believe the earth is flat too. It was said a few years ago that ALL the design houses use Macs. That was absolutely true ( then ) But not for the reason people think.
Management had invested awfully big money in those systems, and they weren't prepared to change it until those systems literaly dropped dead. No life left in them. I can't say I blame them. Those systems have dropped dead now, and I've seen no evidence at all that they bought Mac again.

Steve Jobs once made a statement to journalists that described Apple perfectly. A classic I'll ever forget. Apple sales were declining fast at the time. Someone said to him " Then why don't you lower your prices ? ". His answer was a stunner.
he replied " I'll go bankrupt first ".
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Old 06-12-2017, 12:20:02 AM   #87
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I thought it was either "I'll donate money to charity first" or "I won't buy my way to the front of the line if I have a life-threatening illness." Oh wait... too soon.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:42:46 AM   #88
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Are you completely unaware that ANY (Apple) computer can boot natively into any Windoz OS, Mac OS, Any Linux, and nearly any UNIX OS ?

You short sighted people just crack me up..... A Mac is just a piece of hardware, like a hammer. Just like your PC, with the exception that it can do so much more.
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Old 06-12-2017, 02:10:02 AM   #89
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Thank you.. My 12 core Mac Pro boots Mac OS X, Windows 10 Enterprise, and OpenSuse Linux... Love it !

My Widows VM in Parallels scores better in GeekBench than my buddies dual core Xeon HP Workstation... handy when I don't feel like re-booting to run natively.
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Old 06-12-2017, 03:22:35 PM   #90
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do much more, how? Because it can boot into a different OS? Both Mac and "PC" can boot into any OS the other can. Who gives a shit. There is no exception in that it "can do more." That's bullshit. They are all PCs... even Macs are PCs when it comes down to it.

At the end of the day, when you've jacked off to your overpriced fruit-themed logo box, or some Windows PC, you're doing work. Ask any real artist or professional in any field. Ask them do they even realize they are using a Mac or a PC when they are engrossed in their work. No. Only the fan boys rub their dinks over a logo. In interviews when the greats are asked how they do such great work and are so prolific.. NONE of them say "I did it because I have an iJunk. It made me creative." No. In fact, a majority of kick ass artists and professionals are probably running really old tired ass computers but they've invested the hours inside the apps they use to perfect their craft. Again, they don't give a shit which OS or which logo is on their PC.

The rest of us disappear into the apps and the content we are creating. Outside of the old dated UI icons OSX uses, once you're in an app like Maya or Photoshop, all of that shit disappears. The apps work mostly the same regardless of OSX or Windows (linux too but with a fraction of software supported).

If you're still too focused on which shitty brand of PC (fruit-themed or otherwise) you are using, or are worried about why people are using a competing product, you are focusing on the wrong shit and your art probably looks like shit. Quit your job and sit there all day petting your piece of hardware.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:34:20 PM   #91
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Nobody disappears into the apps these days. Not when every five minutes there's a messenger popup, then a snapchat, then an urgent email from your boss, then a text-message, then you just briefly checks facebook and instagram, the your calendar pops up a reminder, then there's a skype call, and so on. Every OS as well as whatever phone you have, seems intentionally designed to make sure you don't disappear into your apps by providing you with a constant barrage of distraction.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:00:10 PM   #92
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Can your Mac Pro do this neat trick of costing under $3000?

For the current cost of a Mac Pro with a few options, you can build a lightning fast, upgradable PC and have enough money left for a second monitor and a small Ryzen-based render farm.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:43:56 PM   #93
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^ don't forget: you can even run osx on such pc
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Old 06-13-2017, 05:05:33 AM   #94
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There are people who have tried and succeeded with it, but I'm not comfortable editing too many things in the default kernels or veering too far from the recommended builds. I use a hackintosh as my production machine so I need it to be dependable.

If I have enough spare parts I'd try playing around with it though with a second build.
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Old 06-13-2017, 07:55:20 AM   #95
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I suspect the hackintoshers are more concentrated on tinkering than on doing actual work on their systems.
i cant afford my computer to not work for a day or more due to some update incompatibilities i have to research and fix first.
(and i dont feel very confident with the strategy of never updating due to possible problems)
i have real clients and real deadlines.
so i'd say it's mac or win, but better not tosh.

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Old 06-13-2017, 10:50:41 AM   #96
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You allow that constant barrage of distraction, its your fault, i don't allow it, so i can disappear.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:29:18 PM   #97
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I bought an older 2012 Mac Pro so it could be upgraded somewhat as I choose. Still think it cost too much but love the machine. I just like the way macOS works, and staying with El Capitan because of many of our patches not working in Sierra or High Sierra (have the beta in a VM)

If I thought I could build a high power machine for less and run OS X I would. I have a HP Pavilion i7 10 gig ram at the girlfriends house that Hackintoshed perfect the first try... just had to fiddle with audio drivers, so my next Mac will most likely be a PC. Built with proven components. Wish OS X could run on Ryzen... that would be awesome.

As someone just said a couple of threads back, once you are actually working doing 3d, video, whatever... it does not really matter what OS you are using. Just a launcher for the software you are using
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:59:34 AM   #98
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Nah I'd say its half half. If you're running the recommended hardware, there are no real problems. I can update whenever there is an update, but I am sure to have a backup of my OS drive just in case.

I run my own business and run everything off this machine, and have been using a Hackintosh for the last 3 years without any issues.
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Old 06-14-2017, 12:49:17 PM   #99
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What software are you using with your Cintiq that would actually run on iOS?
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Old 06-15-2017, 02:38:18 PM   #100
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buy pc $5K, install mac osx version u want (hackintosh) u'll get powerfull hardware with that $5K

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